Xu-Fu Strategy vs. Fight Night: Tiffany Nelson

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	Lumaris1989	Zandalari Toenibbler with SS-Breed works too. Duration of the fight can differ a little bit, as Onyx-Bite has a very wide range of dmg and you may need a few turns more for the second pet. Script thanks to Seirl	Breed Script	2	5.0	N/A	26	102 1:42	13
	Ssparkles	Script thanks to isthevao	Script	2	4.9	N/A	28	185 3:05	20+
		DragonsAfterDark: Updated pet in slot #3 for SLs changes		2	4.6	N/A	6	122 2:02	15
Any Level 25+ Beast	DragonsAfterDark		Script	2	5.0	N/A	4	140 2:20	17
	BurntGinger#1399	There's RNG, but not really any "screw you" rng. Team and strategy are (mostly, ignoring crits) consistent regardless of the dice roll with Headbutt. My Devourling and Flapper are both B/B.	Script Unobtainable	2	5.0	N/A	2	119 1:59	14+
Any Level 25+ Beast	Kalagren		Script Unobtainable	2	4.5	N/A	2	78 1:18	11
	DragonsAfterDark	Video for Fight	Script Unobtainable	2	4.0	N/A	1	88 1:28	10-12

Incl. steps:

Fel Pup

Skills: 1 1 1
Breed: Any

Breed	Health	Power	Speed
SS	1319	276	325

Breed	Health	Power	Speed
BB	1380	284	288
PB	1363	297	285
SB	1363	281	301

Feline Familiar

Skills: 1 1 2
Breed: Any

Breed	Health	Power	Speed
PB	1221	322	289

Devourling

Skills: 2 1 2
Breed: Any

Breed	Health	Power	Speed
BB	1522	276	268
PB	1506	289	265
SB	1506	273	281
HB	1587	273	265

Breed	Health	Power	Speed
HH	1766	260	252

Substitutes:

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DragonsAfterDark: Updated pet in slot #3 for SLs changes

Breed

RNG

TCG

Shop

Level 25+

Tricky

Script

Unobtainable

Staff Pick

Patch 10.2

Time: 2:02

Rounds: 15

Before		After	Experience Gain
1	➜	13	5981
2	➜	13	6353
3	➜	14	6683
4	➜	14	6971
5	➜	14	7219
6	➜	15	7425
7	➜	15	7590
8	➜	16	7714
9	➜	16	7796
10	➜	17	7838
11	➜	17	7838
12	➜	18	7796
13	➜	19	7714
14	➜	19	7590
15	➜	20	7425
16	➜	20	7219
17	➜	21	6971
18	➜	22	6683
19	➜	22	6353
20	➜	23	5981
21	➜	23	5569
22	➜	24	5115
23	➜	25	3900
24	➜	25	1980

Strategy Details

2 Min 2 Sec

N/A

2022-06-15 18:22:12

2017-03-30 04:11:40

53,826

Tamer Details

Jinx, Rocket, Marshmallow

High XP

Turn 1

Crouch

Fel Pup

Feline Familiar

Devourling

Pass

Bring in your Fel Pup

Bring in your Feline Familiar

Bring in your Devourling

Swap to your Fel Pup

Swap to your Feline Familiar

Swap to your Devourling

Jinx comes in

Rocket comes in

Marshmallow comes in

An enemy pet comes in

Any standard attack will finish the fight

Turn 2

Howl

Fel Pup

Feline Familiar

Devourling

Pass

Bring in your Fel Pup

Bring in your Feline Familiar

Bring in your Devourling

Swap to your Fel Pup

Swap to your Feline Familiar

Swap to your Devourling

Jinx comes in

Rocket comes in

Marshmallow comes in

An enemy pet comes in

Any standard attack will finish the fight

Turns 3+

Bite until Jinx is dead

Fel Pup

Feline Familiar

Devourling

Pass

Bring in your Fel Pup

Bring in your Feline Familiar

Bring in your Devourling

Swap to your Fel Pup

Swap to your Feline Familiar

Swap to your Devourling

Jinx comes in

Rocket comes in

Marshmallow comes in

An enemy pet comes in

Any standard attack will finish the fight

Rocket comes in

Fel Pup

Feline Familiar

Devourling

Pass

Bring in your Fel Pup

Bring in your Feline Familiar

Bring in your Devourling

Swap to your Fel Pup

Swap to your Feline Familiar

Swap to your Devourling

Jinx comes in

Rocket comes in

Marshmallow comes in

An enemy pet comes in

Any standard attack will finish the fight

Turn 1

Howl

Fel Pup

Feline Familiar

Devourling

Pass

Bring in your Fel Pup

Bring in your Feline Familiar

Bring in your Devourling

Swap to your Fel Pup

Swap to your Feline Familiar

Swap to your Devourling

Jinx comes in

Rocket comes in

Marshmallow comes in

An enemy pet comes in

Any standard attack will finish the fight

Turn 2

Swap to your Feline Familiar

Fel Pup

Feline Familiar

Devourling

Pass

Bring in your Fel Pup

Bring in your Feline Familiar

Bring in your Devourling

Swap to your Fel Pup

Swap to your Feline Familiar

Swap to your Devourling

Jinx comes in

Rocket comes in

Marshmallow comes in

An enemy pet comes in

Any standard attack will finish the fight

Turns 3+

Onyx Bite until Rocket is dead

Fel Pup

Feline Familiar

Devourling

Pass

Bring in your Fel Pup

Bring in your Feline Familiar

Bring in your Devourling

Swap to your Fel Pup

Swap to your Feline Familiar

Swap to your Devourling

Jinx comes in

Rocket comes in

Marshmallow comes in

An enemy pet comes in

Any standard attack will finish the fight

Marshmallow comes in

Fel Pup

Feline Familiar

Devourling

Pass

Bring in your Fel Pup

Bring in your Feline Familiar

Bring in your Devourling

Swap to your Fel Pup

Swap to your Feline Familiar

Swap to your Devourling

Jinx comes in

Rocket comes in

Marshmallow comes in

An enemy pet comes in

Any standard attack will finish the fight

Turns 1+

Onyx Bite until your Familiar dies

Fel Pup

Feline Familiar

Devourling

Pass

Bring in your Fel Pup

Bring in your Feline Familiar

Bring in your Devourling

Swap to your Fel Pup

Swap to your Feline Familiar

Swap to your Devourling

Jinx comes in

Rocket comes in

Marshmallow comes in

An enemy pet comes in

Any standard attack will finish the fight

Bring in your Devourling

Fel Pup

Feline Familiar

Devourling

Pass

Bring in your Fel Pup

Bring in your Feline Familiar

Bring in your Devourling

Swap to your Fel Pup

Swap to your Feline Familiar

Swap to your Devourling

Jinx comes in

Rocket comes in

Marshmallow comes in

An enemy pet comes in

Any standard attack will finish the fight

Turn 1

Siphon Anima

Fel Pup

Feline Familiar

Devourling

Pass

Bring in your Fel Pup

Bring in your Feline Familiar

Bring in your Devourling

Swap to your Fel Pup

Swap to your Feline Familiar

Swap to your Devourling

Jinx comes in

Rocket comes in

Marshmallow comes in

An enemy pet comes in

Any standard attack will finish the fight

Turns 2-3

Devour

Fel Pup

Feline Familiar

Devourling

Pass

Bring in your Fel Pup

Bring in your Feline Familiar

Bring in your Devourling

Swap to your Fel Pup

Swap to your Feline Familiar

Swap to your Devourling

Jinx comes in

Rocket comes in

Marshmallow comes in

An enemy pet comes in

Any standard attack will finish the fight

Turn 4

Headbutt

Fel Pup

Feline Familiar

Devourling

Pass

Bring in your Fel Pup

Bring in your Feline Familiar

Bring in your Devourling

Swap to your Fel Pup

Swap to your Feline Familiar

Swap to your Devourling

Jinx comes in

Rocket comes in

Marshmallow comes in

An enemy pet comes in

Any standard attack will finish the fight

Use abilities on CD until fight is won

Fel Pup

Feline Familiar

Devourling

Pass

Bring in your Fel Pup

Bring in your Feline Familiar

Bring in your Devourling

Swap to your Fel Pup

Swap to your Feline Familiar

Swap to your Devourling

Jinx comes in

Rocket comes in

Marshmallow comes in

An enemy pet comes in

Any standard attack will finish the fight

A rather unbalanced cat-and-mouse game.

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gdrop

wrote on 2021-02-26 16:06:05

Tried this strategy in 9.0.2, changing out Summit Kid for a tough beast with Blackclaw and a hard hit (I used PS Zandalari Kneebiter *22). Tried three times and won every time even with the RNG.

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PotatoSaladX_

wrote on 2021-11-14 03:44:09

Still works in 9.1.5, also with Zandalari Shinchomper, first I used Aura of Gonk an then Hunting Party :3

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KysooShoo wrote on 2018-03-17 14:31:25

TD Script:

change(Feline Familiar:319) [enemy(Rocket:1746).aura(Howl:1725).exists]
change(Fel Pup:1660) [self(Feline Familiar:319).dead]
ability(Bite:110) [enemy.hp<296]
ability(Howl:362) [enemy(Rocket:1746).active]
ability(Crouch:165)
ability(Howl:362)
ability(Bite:110)
ability(Onyx Bite:437)
ability(Comeback:253) [enemy(Rocket:1746).active]
ability(Chew:541)
ability(Stampede:163)

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RockwellH

wrote on 2021-07-26 14:33:50

works in SL

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Shenglei#2227

wrote on 2020-10-25 11:28:53

Does not seem to work in 9.0.1 prepatch, Summit Kit does not do enough damage due to stampede nerf, and gets killed by Marshmallow. Also, Rocket's abilities may deal a lot of damage to your pets due to bad RNG.

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Neymar

wrote on 2020-09-11 21:26:45

Survived with 7 HP. If it works, it works. The only HP that matters is the last one!

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AM wrote on 2020-05-27 14:39:29

Did not have *the mentioned pets.
Did it with Vicious Broodling 2 1 *, Zandalari kneebiter 2 2 *

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Niente wrote on 2020-01-23 21:45:15

Didn't have any of the pets listed leveled so I used a combo of what others listed.

Alpine Foxling 1,1,1
Moon Moon 1,1,1
Ash Spiderling 2,2,2

Crouch, Leap, Bite x3 Jinx dies.
Switch to Moon Moon.
Moon tears, Howl, Moon fang x2, Rocket dies.
Moon fang, Howl, Moon Moon dies.
Ash spiderling
Brittle webbing, Spiderling Swarm, Marshmallow dies.

I did it quick and it could be refined but there was room for rng and mistakes. (edited)

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RabidPenguin wrote on 2016-12-23 12:29:01

3 out of 3 attempts so far and Feline dies on Rocket long before I am able to kill him.

-- edit: add a stoneskin after the first Onyx bite so you benefit from howl and you can survive the Rocket fight easily. got it on 4th attempt with plenty of health leftover to get a prowl bite on Marshmallow.

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Anonymous wrote on 2016-12-24 06:36:25

fully agree, this strategy is a trash, there would have to be a way to up/down votes strategies to try to avoid to fill the website with trashes like this one :S:S
sorry, ur job is great but its so sad when u see 1st alternative, not even marked 'attention', that really dont have a chance to work :S:S
my 2 cents, sorry me again, and ty anyway for ur hard job :)
edit: to make u to get: it have fully failed even when i have got a lucky crit stike that 1shotted rocket, the only way this trash strat could works is if u get crit strike at every ur shot :S:S
sorry again, and have a great Christmas :)

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Aranesh

wrote on 2016-12-27 08:03:20

Thanks for the suggestion! Up/Downvotes will come :-)

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puff

wrote on 2019-07-22 15:26:43

Adding the stoneskin really worked, thanks so much

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Vosk wrote on 2017-02-16 09:00:41

Sorry, try to be helpful, but this strat isn't very good. Pup dies on back row, Feline never gets past howl and Stampede not enough to take down cat.

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Aerna-Eonar wrote on 2017-05-24 22:52:19

This is accurate. Strat is vague and unreliable.

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Camlas

wrote on 2018-07-22 15:28:22

It's all RNG, due to Onyx Bite's wide damage range. I was lucky to have it crit on the higher end on my second try and Feline Familiar ended up taking ~80% of Rocket's hp in one hit. On my first try it barely scratched Rocket and I lost due to that. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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Narothen wrote on 2018-04-09 09:35:20

Crystalline Broodling (1,1,1), Xu-Fu (1,2,2) and Summit Kid (2,1,2) :)

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Ariellè wrote on 2017-11-25 08:14:18

Did it with a Death Adder Hatchling 2/2/1, Xu-Fu 1/2/2 and Feline Familiar 2/?/2

Crouch
Vicious Fang
Vicious Fang
Burrow
Burrow Continues
Vicious Fang - Jinx dies
Rocket comes in
Swap to Xu-Fu
Moonfire
Prowl
Spirit Claws - Rocket dies
Marshmallow comes in
Swap to Feline Familiar
Prowl
Pounce - Feline Familiar dies
Swap to Death Adder Hatchling
Burrow
Burrow Continues - Marshmallow dies

I switched out Xu-Fu early because mine was only level 20 but this worked for me.

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Zarria wrote on 2017-10-25 08:00:26

The strat worked as intended!

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Moonbeam wrote on 2017-10-04 09:45:46

Hey, I used Black footed Fox Kit 1.1.1, Summit Kid 2.1.2 and Adder 2.1.1.

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daedelusikarius wrote on 2017-04-09 03:10:02

I used Fel PuP 1/1/1 Terror Larva 1/1/1 and Crystalline Broodling 1/1/1 all with the Heart breed whatever that is called. Use Fel Pup as described then Terror Larva use Acidic Goo and then Worst Fear to knock off 2nd boss and finally Broodling use the burrow, then the heal, then the rend to finish off the final cat

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Anonymous wrote on 2016-12-24 08:27:40

After twelve tries with this, here's what apparently has to happen for it to work:

Your Feline Familiar has to be brought below 50% before the first (Howl-boosted) Onyx Bite on Rocket. With the Beast passive, this will put Rocket at about 5% health left and you can finish him off the next turn while he wastes his turn on Nature's Ward.

Then, instead of wasting Prowl on Marshmallow (as if your Familiar's going to live next turn - it basically never does) simply Onyx Bite it once. You can get an Onyx Bite next turn as Marshmallow's speed will be reduced by his own Prowl, but don't, as this will usually put Marshmallow below 50%, activating his Beast passive and then destroying your Summit Kid afterwards.

Aside from that, there's a lot of RNG involved because of Cyclone's low hit chance, but there's not much that can be done about that. Regardless, it felt like a very unreliable strat.

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Cogar wrote on 2016-12-25 14:26:44

First try with this setup didn't work. I used the suggestion to omit the Prowl on Marshmallow on first round and the setup worked perfectly.

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Anonymous wrote on 2017-03-27 12:46:50

agreed. omit the prowl and setup works.

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Anonymous wrote on 2017-03-28 00:07:33

Omit Prowl. Worked like a charm!

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Aranesh

wrote on 2017-03-30 04:11:47

Changed the strat, thank you very much!

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Jugajuice wrote on 2016-12-25 20:47:58

If you have Moon Moon raised up, he works wonders as well. Did Fel Pup (1,1,1), Moon Moon (1,1,1), and Ash Spiderling (2,2,2) and one shot it no problems. Follow the Fel Pup instructions then swap to moon moon, use moon bite to pretty mucho OKO Rocket, then howl before he dies on Marshmallow, swap to Ash Spiderling, Brittle Webbing, Spiderling Swarm, and Poison spit if needed.

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Thezedword wrote on 2017-03-28 01:00:15

Worked perfectly! Thank you for suggestion. :)

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Tyrsa wrote on 2017-02-11 14:41:01

Bloodgazer Hatchling (2,1,1) with Savage Talon in the last slot instead of the Summit Kid works also. Handy for the falcosaur quests. My Feline didn't finish Rocket, so Predatory Strike did, then after Marshmallow came in Swarm - Savage x2 and he was dead.

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Muqaddisa wrote on 2017-02-17 05:58:41

This would not work towards the Family Familiar achievement since Hatchling is a flying pet.

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tcoyun wrote on 2017-02-15 09:16:51

xufu (2/1/2), feline (1/1/2), any beast

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gent wrote on 2016-12-21 20:37:47

Got it 1st attempt with Jungle Grub (2,2,2) Alpine Foxling (1,1,2) Xu-Fu (2,1,2) in that order.

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Kylana wrote on 2016-11-27 01:54:12

I didn't have my Fel Pup raised up yet, so I just used an Alpine Foxling. It worked great! Thanks.

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gerana wrote on 2016-11-21 22:08:47

jungle grub (222), crystalline broodling (211), and alpine foxling (112).

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Ssparkles wrote on 2016-09-28 04:29:42

Maggot (2,1,2) in the first slot was super effective. Burrow when ever you can and then alternate between Acid Goo and Consume. Maggot powered through Jinx and got Rocket down to 200HP.
When Maggot died I swapped in Xu-Fu for Moonfire. Used Spirit Claws till Xu-Fu died and then brought in Summit Kid and followed the strat listed above- Chew and Stampede.
With RNG Maggot doesn't always get Rocket so low.

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Lockturnal wrote on 2016-09-28 22:37:04

Wow this was brilliant! I didn't even need to use the Summit Kid as they were all dead with just first 2 pets! Thank you for this alternative strat that worked awesome!

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Mungabella wrote on 2016-10-09 00:39:10

This worked perfectly! I used festering maggot, (H/H) and it killed almost all 3. Finished up with one moonfire.

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Yav wrote on 2016-10-09 01:00:41

Maggot was great for this! Managed to kill the two first pets alone and also took down some of Marshmallows health. :)

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Szuzsika wrote on 2016-10-09 03:13:08

I tried the original strat for like 3 times, my summit kid always died when Marsmallow had like 100 hp, but with this I killed them all, thanks a lot!

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Lamplighter wrote on 2016-10-09 03:47:36

my feline familiar from the original strat would never survive. This one (maggot, xufu, summit)
worked much better for me

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Daedrynn wrote on 2016-10-09 23:46:43

This is fantastic! Maggot owns face in this battle - he killed the first two and got Marshmallow down to 400 hp. Brought in Xu-Fu with Moonfire, and one round of Spirit Claws for the win! Good thinking, Ssparkles!

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Anonymous wrote on 2016-10-10 19:11:12

Excellent strat, worked flawlessly

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Aranesh

wrote on 2016-10-17 10:41:31

Very nice one, thank you for suggesting it!

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Bix wrote on 2016-10-17 14:32:30

Worked better than the Fel Pup / Feline Familiar, for which I has maybe bad RNG and which was mass failing for me :/

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Voodoou wrote on 2016-10-22 18:24:23

LOL I am not even sure how it happened but my Maggot crit and killed Rocket, got one acid on Marshmallow which somehow caused Moonfire to just about one shot Marshmallow.. I mean I got lucky but holy cow! great strat!

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Anonymous wrote on 2016-10-12 06:16:41

I don't have a Xu'Fu, so I used Moon-Moon (with the Maggot in the first slot). My Summit Kid finished them off with about 600 health left

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Anonymous wrote on 2016-10-12 04:11:12

Pygmy Direhorn with Trishield
Any Calf,
XuFu

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Nivmizzet wrote on 2016-10-11 19:49:05

It is possible to defeat this encounter with common beasts. My line up consisted of:

Alpine Foxling Kit (or any fox) --> 1-1-2
Fox Kit (or any fox) --> 2-1-1
Summit Kid --> 1-1-1

Start with your first fox and Dazzling Dance, Crouch, and Chomp until first enemy pet is dead. I was lucky enough to get off another Dazzing Dance before my first fox died but it didn't matter because Rocket is going to be faster no matter what. After my first fox died I brought out my second fox and just spammed Flurry until Rocket was dead (note that there may be some RNG here if your Flurry only hits once too many times). After that with Summit Kid I just Headbutted and Hoof-ed and that ended it. I will note that my Summit Kid was actually level 23 and he still survived with a sliver of health.

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Jeack wrote on 2016-09-28 03:00:34

A little RNG on this fight I think. I replaced fel pup with xu fu and changed my feline familiar order to Stone skin>prowl>onyx bite. Onyx bite should land while Rocket is still beast and take 2/3 of his hp.

Without this sequence by feline familiar was dying before rocket did.

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Toeler wrote on 2016-09-04 03:47:09

Xu-Fu worked as a good replacement to Feline Familiar for me

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Anonymous wrote on 2017-08-24 14:38:37

Hat auf Anhieb geklappt. Danke

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Schimmi wrote on 2017-05-24 18:08:51

alles topi!

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Shivany wrote on 2017-04-23 05:45:25

It worked on the 6th try. You must be lucky with crits. Katzenfamiliar died several times before killing Rakete.

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Marcel wrote on 2017-03-13 07:57:50

Works, 1-2 trys. Perfect

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Warmonger wrote on 2017-02-11 12:34:23

Doesn't work. Teufelswelpe has less then 50% health when killing Flix and later the tornado kills him. Katzenfamiliar often dies before killing Rakete. Only when u are very lucky with crits it maybe works. Greetings

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Герм wrote on 2017-03-13 04:34:45

Волчонка менял на Коварный детеныш 2-1-1 Сразу Закопаться. Снес двух первых. Зефирку добил козлом

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	Lumaris1989	Zandalari Toenibbler with SS-Breed works too. Duration of the fight can differ a little bit, as Onyx-Bite has a very wide range of dmg and you may need a few turns more for the second pet. Script thanks to Seirl	Breed Script	2	5.0	N/A	26	102 1:42	13
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	BurntGinger#1399	There's RNG, but not really any "screw you" rng. Team and strategy are (mostly, ignoring crits) consistent regardless of the dice roll with Headbutt. My Devourling and Flapper are both B/B.	Script Unobtainable	2	5.0	N/A	2	119 1:59	14+
Any Level 25+ Beast	Kalagren		Script Unobtainable	2	4.5	N/A	2	78 1:18	11
	DragonsAfterDark	Video for Fight	Script Unobtainable	2	4.0	N/A	1	88 1:28	10-12

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