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vs. Not So Bad Down Here

Strategy added by Mordred#1140

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Special or not:0Special or not:22222468621164680

Skills: 2 2 2
Breed: BB, HS

Creepy Crawly
This pet can have the following breeds:

Breed Health Power Speed
BB 1400 292 276
HS 1465 276 289
HH 1644 276 260
HP 1465 305 260

Breeds marked in red are not suited for this strategy.

>260

Special or not:0Special or not:111215118571015110

Skills: 1 1 2
Breed: Any

Lovebird Hatchling
This pet can have the following breeds:

Breed Health Power Speed
SS 1400 260 325


Special or not:0Special or not:17221729635577290

Skills: 2 2 1
Breed: BB, HP, SB, HB

Tolai Hare
This pet can have the following breeds:

Breed Health Power Speed
BB 1481 244 309
HP 1546 257 292
SB 1465 240 322
HB 1546 240 305
SS 1400 227 357
HS 1546 227 322

Breeds marked in red are not suited for this strategy.

>260

Substitutes:

Note: You have selected a substitute pet.
The strategy might fail if you use it with this pet instead of the one the strategy creator intended.

The substitute finder looks for these criteria in relation to the original pet:
  • Same family
  • Has the required skills
  • Has the required stats (if specified)
  • Ignores specific breed requirements for the main pet, as breeds can be very different for substitutes

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Note: You have selected a substitute pet.
The strategy might fail if you use it with this pet instead of the one the strategy creator intended.

The substitute finder looks for these criteria in relation to the original pet:
  • Same family
  • Has the required skills
  • Has the required stats (if specified)
  • Ignores specific breed requirements for the main pet, as breeds can be very different for substitutes

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Substitutions are definitely possible for Creepy Crawly and Tolai Hare. Lovebird Hatchling is a must have.

For Creepy Crawly, any Critter with >260 Speed rating with Flank, Survival and Apocalypse will work. For Tolai Hare, any Critter with >260 Speed rating with Flurry, Dodge and Burrow will work. For both pets, get the one with the highest Power stat.

A possible mishap is that B/B Creepy Crawly, with only 1400 Health, might be killed by backline damage. If that happens, restart the match.

ADDENDUM: Please note, you just need the Creepy Crawly and the Tolai Hare (or their substitutes) to be faster than 260. S/S is NOT recommended because of its low power stat. Faster than 260, highest power stat you can get.

ADDITIONAL ADDENDUM: I've noticed some insisting that this strat doesn't work. That is unadulterated nonsense; I use it every single time I do this fight. Yes, there is the occasional misfire, but in general, it does work. Then one day, I experienced several consecutive failures, But I discovered what my problem was: My 1st slot of Lovebird Hatching was set to Alpha Strike instead of Peck. You must use Peck. Since Bruce is faster than Lovebird Hatchling, the second Alpha Strike will never go off, making your attack about half as effective as Peck would be..

Low XP
Breed
At least one of the pets for this strategy require the use of a specific breed.
Not every strategy can be bullet proof. This is one of them. You might have to restart it, since there are some random elements that increase the risk of your pets failing. Don't blame them, please!
This strategy is using pets obtainable from the Wow Trading Card Game (TCG) or the auction house for potentially high sums of gold.
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You can use this strategy to carry a low level pet to give it experience.
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The strategy offers a Script that can be used with the Pet Battle Script addon. You can copy the script by clicking on the button to the left of the pets.
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Time: 1:44
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Rounds: 16
The number of rounds for this fight were added by a strategy curator. This number is usually very reliable.
This table shows the level increase for completing the fight with level 25 pets and one carry pet.
Partial level experience is not included in the calculation.

Before After Experience Gain
13239
24254
34267
45279
56289
66297
77304
88309
99312
1010314
1111314
1212312
1313309
1414304
1515297
1616289
1717279
1818267
1919254
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Strategy Details
1 Min 44 Sec
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16
The number of rounds for this fight were added by a strategy curator. This number is usually very reliable.
2023-03-03 15:39:31
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2018-11-08 06:44:40
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Tamer Details
Tiragarde Sound 86.2 38.6 (TomTom / Map Pin)
Low XP
This fight provides very low experience. It is usually not worth bringing a low level pet in. You can see detailed values by hovering over the XP tag.
Turn 1
Start with Creepy Crawly, Apocalypse

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Creepy Crawly
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Lovebird Hatchling
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Tolai Hare
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Pass
Bring in your Creepy Crawly
Bring in your Lovebird Hatchling
Bring in your Tolai Hare
Swap to your Creepy Crawly
Swap to your Lovebird Hatchling
Swap to your Tolai Hare
Chum comes in
Bruce comes in
Maws Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Creepy Crawly
Lovebird Hatchling
Tolai Hare
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Maws Jr.
Bruce
Chum

For the best display of your strategy, please follow these guidelines:

  • Use QuickFill elements where possible
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Creepy Crawly
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Lovebird Hatchling
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Tolai Hare
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Pass
Bring in your Creepy Crawly
Bring in your Lovebird Hatchling
Bring in your Tolai Hare
Swap to your Creepy Crawly
Swap to your Lovebird Hatchling
Swap to your Tolai Hare
Chum comes in
Bruce comes in
Maws Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Creepy Crawly
Lovebird Hatchling
Tolai Hare
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Maws Jr.
Bruce
Chum
Turn 2
Swap to your Lovebird Hatchling

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Creepy Crawly
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Lovebird Hatchling
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Tolai Hare
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Pass
Bring in your Creepy Crawly
Bring in your Lovebird Hatchling
Bring in your Tolai Hare
Swap to your Creepy Crawly
Swap to your Lovebird Hatchling
Swap to your Tolai Hare
Chum comes in
Bruce comes in
Maws Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Creepy Crawly
Lovebird Hatchling
Tolai Hare
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Maws Jr.
Bruce
Chum
Turn 3

For the best display of your strategy, please follow these guidelines:

  • Use QuickFill elements where possible
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Creepy Crawly
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Lovebird Hatchling
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Tolai Hare
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Pass
Bring in your Creepy Crawly
Bring in your Lovebird Hatchling
Bring in your Tolai Hare
Swap to your Creepy Crawly
Swap to your Lovebird Hatchling
Swap to your Tolai Hare
Chum comes in
Bruce comes in
Maws Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Creepy Crawly
Lovebird Hatchling
Tolai Hare
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Maws Jr.
Bruce
Chum
Turn 4
Predatory Strike (Chum leaves before Predatory Strike goes off. Bruce enters and is hit by Predatory Strike.)

For the best display of your strategy, please follow these guidelines:

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Creepy Crawly
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Lovebird Hatchling
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Tolai Hare
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Pass
Bring in your Creepy Crawly
Bring in your Lovebird Hatchling
Bring in your Tolai Hare
Swap to your Creepy Crawly
Swap to your Lovebird Hatchling
Swap to your Tolai Hare
Chum comes in
Bruce comes in
Maws Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Creepy Crawly
Lovebird Hatchling
Tolai Hare
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Maws Jr.
Bruce
Chum
Turn 5

For the best display of your strategy, please follow these guidelines:

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Creepy Crawly
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Lovebird Hatchling
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Tolai Hare
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Pass
Bring in your Creepy Crawly
Bring in your Lovebird Hatchling
Bring in your Tolai Hare
Swap to your Creepy Crawly
Swap to your Lovebird Hatchling
Swap to your Tolai Hare
Chum comes in
Bruce comes in
Maws Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Creepy Crawly
Lovebird Hatchling
Tolai Hare
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Maws Jr.
Bruce
Chum
Turn 6

For the best display of your strategy, please follow these guidelines:

  • Use QuickFill elements where possible
  • Enter custom instructions in English
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Creepy Crawly
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Lovebird Hatchling
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Tolai Hare
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Pass
Bring in your Creepy Crawly
Bring in your Lovebird Hatchling
Bring in your Tolai Hare
Swap to your Creepy Crawly
Swap to your Lovebird Hatchling
Swap to your Tolai Hare
Chum comes in
Bruce comes in
Maws Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Creepy Crawly
Lovebird Hatchling
Tolai Hare
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Maws Jr.
Bruce
Chum
Turn 7
Peck (Bruce may die here, replaced by Chum.)

For the best display of your strategy, please follow these guidelines:

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Creepy Crawly
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Lovebird Hatchling
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Tolai Hare
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Pass
Bring in your Creepy Crawly
Bring in your Lovebird Hatchling
Bring in your Tolai Hare
Swap to your Creepy Crawly
Swap to your Lovebird Hatchling
Swap to your Tolai Hare
Chum comes in
Bruce comes in
Maws Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Creepy Crawly
Lovebird Hatchling
Tolai Hare
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Maws Jr.
Bruce
Chum
Turn 8
Peck (If Bruce didn't die in the previous turn, he will die here, replaced by Chum. Attack is the same, regardless.)

For the best display of your strategy, please follow these guidelines:

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Creepy Crawly
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Lovebird Hatchling
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Tolai Hare
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Pass
Bring in your Creepy Crawly
Bring in your Lovebird Hatchling
Bring in your Tolai Hare
Swap to your Creepy Crawly
Swap to your Lovebird Hatchling
Swap to your Tolai Hare
Chum comes in
Bruce comes in
Maws Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Creepy Crawly
Lovebird Hatchling
Tolai Hare
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Maws Jr.
Bruce
Chum
Turn 9
Predatory Strike (Lovebird Hatchling may die here. If he does, skip to step 11.)

For the best display of your strategy, please follow these guidelines:

  • Use QuickFill elements where possible
  • Enter custom instructions in English
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Creepy Crawly
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Lovebird Hatchling
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Tolai Hare
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Pass
Bring in your Creepy Crawly
Bring in your Lovebird Hatchling
Bring in your Tolai Hare
Swap to your Creepy Crawly
Swap to your Lovebird Hatchling
Swap to your Tolai Hare
Chum comes in
Bruce comes in
Maws Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Creepy Crawly
Lovebird Hatchling
Tolai Hare
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Maws Jr.
Bruce
Chum
Turn 10
Peck (Lovebird Hatchling should die here.)

For the best display of your strategy, please follow these guidelines:

  • Use QuickFill elements where possible
  • Enter custom instructions in English
  • Check the Strategy Creation Guide for more info
Creepy Crawly
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Lovebird Hatchling
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Tolai Hare
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Pass
Bring in your Creepy Crawly
Bring in your Lovebird Hatchling
Bring in your Tolai Hare
Swap to your Creepy Crawly
Swap to your Lovebird Hatchling
Swap to your Tolai Hare
Chum comes in
Bruce comes in
Maws Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Creepy Crawly
Lovebird Hatchling
Tolai Hare
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Maws Jr.
Bruce
Chum

For the best display of your strategy, please follow these guidelines:

  • Use QuickFill elements where possible
  • Enter custom instructions in English
  • Check the Strategy Creation Guide for more info
Creepy Crawly
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Lovebird Hatchling
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Tolai Hare
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Pass
Bring in your Creepy Crawly
Bring in your Lovebird Hatchling
Bring in your Tolai Hare
Swap to your Creepy Crawly
Swap to your Lovebird Hatchling
Swap to your Tolai Hare
Chum comes in
Bruce comes in
Maws Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Creepy Crawly
Lovebird Hatchling
Tolai Hare
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Maws Jr.
Bruce
Chum
Turn 11
Bring in Tolai Hare. Dodge

For the best display of your strategy, please follow these guidelines:

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Creepy Crawly
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Lovebird Hatchling
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Tolai Hare
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Pass
Bring in your Creepy Crawly
Bring in your Lovebird Hatchling
Bring in your Tolai Hare
Swap to your Creepy Crawly
Swap to your Lovebird Hatchling
Swap to your Tolai Hare
Chum comes in
Bruce comes in
Maws Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Creepy Crawly
Lovebird Hatchling
Tolai Hare
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Maws Jr.
Bruce
Chum
Turn 12

For the best display of your strategy, please follow these guidelines:

  • Use QuickFill elements where possible
  • Enter custom instructions in English
  • Check the Strategy Creation Guide for more info
Creepy Crawly
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Lovebird Hatchling
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Tolai Hare
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Pass
Bring in your Creepy Crawly
Bring in your Lovebird Hatchling
Bring in your Tolai Hare
Swap to your Creepy Crawly
Swap to your Lovebird Hatchling
Swap to your Tolai Hare
Chum comes in
Bruce comes in
Maws Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Creepy Crawly
Lovebird Hatchling
Tolai Hare
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Maws Jr.
Bruce
Chum
Turn 13

For the best display of your strategy, please follow these guidelines:

  • Use QuickFill elements where possible
  • Enter custom instructions in English
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Creepy Crawly
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Lovebird Hatchling
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Tolai Hare
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Pass
Bring in your Creepy Crawly
Bring in your Lovebird Hatchling
Bring in your Tolai Hare
Swap to your Creepy Crawly
Swap to your Lovebird Hatchling
Swap to your Tolai Hare
Chum comes in
Bruce comes in
Maws Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Creepy Crawly
Lovebird Hatchling
Tolai Hare
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Maws Jr.
Bruce
Chum
Turn 14
Flurry (Tolai Hare usually dies here. If he kills Chum here, simply Burrow. Apocalypse will kill both the Hare and Maws Jr. next round, leaving Creepy Crawly the sole survivor.)

For the best display of your strategy, please follow these guidelines:

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Creepy Crawly
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Lovebird Hatchling
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Tolai Hare
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Pass
Bring in your Creepy Crawly
Bring in your Lovebird Hatchling
Bring in your Tolai Hare
Swap to your Creepy Crawly
Swap to your Lovebird Hatchling
Swap to your Tolai Hare
Chum comes in
Bruce comes in
Maws Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Creepy Crawly
Lovebird Hatchling
Tolai Hare
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Maws Jr.
Bruce
Chum

For the best display of your strategy, please follow these guidelines:

  • Use QuickFill elements where possible
  • Enter custom instructions in English
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Creepy Crawly
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Lovebird Hatchling
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Tolai Hare
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Pass
Bring in your Creepy Crawly
Bring in your Lovebird Hatchling
Bring in your Tolai Hare
Swap to your Creepy Crawly
Swap to your Lovebird Hatchling
Swap to your Tolai Hare
Chum comes in
Bruce comes in
Maws Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Creepy Crawly
Lovebird Hatchling
Tolai Hare
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Maws Jr.
Bruce
Chum
Turn 15
Bring in Creepy Crawly, Flank. (Chum should die here, replaced by Maws Jr.)

For the best display of your strategy, please follow these guidelines:

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Creepy Crawly
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Lovebird Hatchling
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Tolai Hare
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Pass
Bring in your Creepy Crawly
Bring in your Lovebird Hatchling
Bring in your Tolai Hare
Swap to your Creepy Crawly
Swap to your Lovebird Hatchling
Swap to your Tolai Hare
Chum comes in
Bruce comes in
Maws Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Creepy Crawly
Lovebird Hatchling
Tolai Hare
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Maws Jr.
Bruce
Chum
Turn 16
Survival (Apocalypse goes off here, killing Maws Jr.)

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Creepy Crawly
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Lovebird Hatchling
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Tolai Hare
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Pass
Bring in your Creepy Crawly
Bring in your Lovebird Hatchling
Bring in your Tolai Hare
Swap to your Creepy Crawly
Swap to your Lovebird Hatchling
Swap to your Tolai Hare
Chum comes in
Bruce comes in
Maws Jr. comes in
An enemy pet comes in
Any standard attack will finish the fight
 
Creepy Crawly
Lovebird Hatchling
Tolai Hare
Flank
Survival
Apocalypse
Peck
Lovestruck
Predatory Strike
Flurry
Dodge
Burrow
Maws Jr.
Bruce
Chum

Wet paws are always bad.




ladydragona

wrote on 2024-03-05 18:29:14

worked perfectly as written as of 10.2.5. used b/b locust in place of creepy crawly

阿邦#1922

wrote on 2023-10-23 00:50:14

Creepy Crawly H/S
Arctic Hare B/B

first time ~!

Agrogas#2257

wrote on 2023-09-28 13:52:25

2nd try :), its a close call fight hehe

Poetic

wrote on 2023-09-03 05:13:38

Great strat, exactly as described, turn by turn. I used no replacement pets, only the pets as listed in the breeds listed.

Kylarra

wrote on 2023-05-19 13:37:16

Pefect, thank you. It worked first time for me.

Niobie wrote on 2023-05-04 05:15:08

Worked great the 3rd time in DF . Took suggestion and added a more powerful rabbit - upped it 20 pts. -

Nessahelyan#1259

wrote on 2019-01-05 18:56:59

I have a rather stupid question. Have went with the strat over and over.. paying attention to the speed. Apocalypse NEVER works? Am i missing something? Or just crappy RNG as per usual?

Phoenix wrote on 2019-01-05 22:59:25

Apocalypse works. The third pet has to get into the fight before it goes off. Probably a slower rabbit, will do more damage. I failed twice because I didn't kill the second pet fast enough.

Trinah wrote on 2019-02-13 18:54:06

This... chum was always dying the turn apoc went off so it wasn't hitting Maws jr. Went with a P/S Dust bunny instead.

(OP) Mordred#1140

wrote on 2023-02-21 06:27:36

Make sure Lovebird Hatchling is not using Alpha Strike in the first slot. He must use Peck. The reason being is that Bruce is faster than Lovebird Hatchling; consequently, Lovebird Hatchling would get only one strike with Alpha Strike.

And again, do NOT use S/S breeds. Use a breed that is faster than 260, and the highest power stat you can find, for both the Crawley and the Hare.

Kalagren

wrote on 2023-02-22 11:37:09

I believe some are 'experiencing RNG' as there isn't a recommended power level in the pets' boxes. Despite reading / skimming through the info, some will still see only the 260+ speed suggestion and pick the first pet that qualifies.

Gráinne

wrote on 2023-02-23 04:27:40

I just took a look. This is a famously difficult battle to write strats for, and more so for a weak Family like Critter. Most of us avoided it in BfA. :) So any strat that has any kind of success rate is good by me!

I *think* that Alpine or Tolai Hare H/P (1546/257/292) is optimum for the bunny, so I used that in all trials. (*Maybe* Grasslands Cottontail S/S?, but without doing the arithmetic, I'd rather have an extra 146 HP than an extra 3 Power.)

I first thought that making sure the cockroach survives was the priority, so my first attempt was with Irradiated Roach H/H (1887/211/276). Remarkably, there were no crits at all in the battle. I *would* have won, that but I made a mistake on my last move and hit Flank instead of Survival, so I count that as a win for the strat. My bad, but the strat's success.

Next I tried a Locust H/S (1465/276/289) with exactly the same stats as Creepy H/S. He got 3 crits; I got 2. I won.

I tried again with the Locust H/S. This time he got 3 crits, especially a devastating crit with the second Megalodon which killed my Locust in the backline, and I lost.

I tried a third time with the Locust H/S, and finally got a battle with no crits. I won.

I switched it up to a P/P Twilight Beetle (1237/341/276), mostly out of curiosity. No. The low health on the backline did me in. The Beetle took 195+169+390+487=1241 damage (no crits), and it has only 1237 HP. So 1238 is the *absolute* minimum HP for slot 1, and that would of course fail with any crit against it.

Finally, I tried an Irradiated Roach H/P (1709/240/276). By now I knew that I didn't need a huge bag of health, but more HP is good. I took only one crit, from Deep Bite in Round 5, and won.

So, overall, the strat scored 4 out of 6 wins.

There is undoubtedly some RNG. Flank and Flurry have a coin-toss chance of hitting either 2 or 3 times, and crits against you can be devastating, especially Megalodon. I can see how, with a weaker bunny, that success rate could go further down.

You could math out the probabilities, assuming worst case of only 2 hits of Flank and Flurry each time, against the various possible stat distributions in slots 1 and 3, but for a one-time challenge battle, and a difficult one, I'll leave that to any other interested party! :)

P.S. Even though Megalodon's tooltip says it does 390 damage to all pets, the first Megaladon does exactly that, BUT the second does 487 to each of the remaining 2 pets. Why? It's not a Meteor-type split-damage ability, and it doesn't claim to ramp up. I spent far too much time thinking about that. (edited)

Gráinne

wrote on 2023-02-23 04:53:27

P.P.S. I just thought to try it one more time with a typical S/S 357 bunny, since that's what we all recommend to new battlers, and it makes sense that that is the one they would most likely use unless specifically told otherwise.

(By the way, you omit Turn 5 in your description, hopping from 4 to 6. This puts the numbering of the rounds out by one when I compare it agsinst my log, which is relevant because of the Apoc duration.)

He got no crits. I got one Flurry crit, one Flurry triple, and two Flurry doubles, but my bunny died a round early. However, the H/P Irradiated had enough H and P to finish Chum in two rounds of Flank (and still took 487 from Magalodon standing alone, so definitely no split effect there) so the Apoc finished Maws Jr right on schedule.

What this does show, though, is that there is a high likelihood that with a lower-powered bunny, the beetle will have to use an extra round of Flank before it Survivals (assuming it survives that long). Someone just reading the strat and not watching the countdown would fail because of that. I suspect that's the source of people claiming very high RNG.


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Blowmyarrow wrote on 2019-08-02 13:38:20

RNG should be added here.
Fire-Proof Roach HP + Arctic Hare HP. Breeds are important. Roach should have health at the end, but You need to keep your damage high thats why You need P.

DenL

wrote on 2020-10-08 12:48:22

I agree, heavy RNG is involved. If your hare keep doing 2 hits instead of 3, Chum won't die fast enough.

(OP) Mordred#1140

wrote on 2023-02-21 06:22:48

No, there is no heavy RNG involved, by your own admission. The Hare usually gets three attacks of Flank before he dies. If you got 2 attacks of Flank all three times, you were having unfavorable RNG. Even one attack of Flank with three strikes is neutral RNG.

Echylod wrote on 2022-02-09 13:33:58

This absolutely does not work unless you get all favorable RNG and Trainer gets all unfavorable RNG. The odds are astronomical. With no RNG and just standard damage your last pet has 1 health when Maws comes in. Tried 10 times with exact same results.

Crucco#2928

wrote on 2022-02-20 20:31:31

I second this. Lots of RNG involved, Lovebird Hatchling dies at turn 10, never at turn 11. That messes the apocalypse strategy. Roach usually reaches last enemy pet with only 386 hp left. Apocalypse hits usually when your tolai hare is still up, together with the second enemy pet. I have never managed to have this strategy working. (edited)

(OP) Mordred#1140

wrote on 2023-02-21 06:19:08

No, there is not a lot of RNG involved. I've won this fight without favorable RNG.

What is more likely your problem is that you are 1) Using S/S breeds, which I do not recommend, due to the low Power stat. Use a breed that is faster than 260, and the highest power stat you can find. And/or 2) your Lovebird Hatchling has Alpha Strike in the first slot. Alpha Strike will not work against Bruce because Bruce is faster than Lovebird Hatchling. You must use Peck in the first slot, NOT Alpha Strike. (edited)

Xade-Kazzak wrote on 2020-11-21 10:09:10

DOES NOT WORK, After 20 tries there is ZERO chance to kill Chum before Apocalypse hits

Merdento

wrote on 2020-12-27 19:09:28

Wrong, it worked for me just fine

Crucco#2928

wrote on 2022-02-20 20:50:04

He is right, there is no chance to kill Chum before Apocalypse hits. Lots of wasted bandages on this broken strat.

(OP) Mordred#1140

wrote on 2023-02-21 06:15:31

Make sure your Lovebird Hatchling is using Peck in the first slot, NOT Alpha Strike. The reason being is that Bruce is faster than Lovebird Hatchling. Consequently, if you're using Alpha Strike, you will never get the second strike.

Also, make sure you are NOT using S/S breeds. All you need for both the Hare and the Crawley is to be faster than 260. Beyond that, get the highest power stat you can find.

The strat does work.

Cernunnas

wrote on 2022-10-25 18:51:53

Took a few tries to get the timing right, but still better and quicker than all other strategies I tried!

Tiamat175

wrote on 2022-08-28 20:37:23

I tried this fight a few times. Do not be like me and not notice the ADDENDUM. SS Breeds are not recommended; just a breed with the highest Power stat you got with a Speed stat >260.

I switched my SS sub rabbit with a SB and I got luckier and won.

bargebone#1524

wrote on 2022-05-29 18:05:00

This lineup did work for me but the strategy didn't. I had to pivot based on the RNG I had for each round. The key is to time the apocalypse with the last pet being active, otherwise it won't work. In my case I had to skip the rabbit's dodge and kill the first two as fast as possible, then evade attacks from the last enemy until apocalypse killed them.

aqua289

wrote on 2022-05-22 03:42:52

Cockroach SS, Lovebird Hatchling SS, Tolai Hare BB - 1st try win

Shywillow

wrote on 2021-10-21 03:55:42

it worked but nearly was a wipe, defo RNG involved

Emma#2823

wrote on 2021-08-06 09:51:15

Worked just now for me with HB Tol'Vir Scarab and BB Rabbit

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